Saor

Saor
There’s No Direction, Only A Way To Hospital

29.11.2019

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On a pleasant August evening I met with Andy Marshall at the backstage area of the Brutal Assault festival and had a chat that was just as pleasant. We talked about the time Saor spent in Russia, Scottish nature, travelling, history, political independence, live performances and the creative process. I guess it was the only conversation in my life when I didn’t want to cry at the mere sound of the word “politics”. Before approaching Andy to ask for an interview, I had read about a dozen of his other interviews and it looks like our conversation exposed all charming contradictions of Andy’s character to a much greater degree. Like, Saor is a one-man band and Brayan (drums), Paolo (guitars), Rene (guitars) and Lambert (violin) never fail to stress that Saor isn’t their band. And yet, Andy is the nicest person on earth and not at all that antisocial authoritative leader one may expect him to be. He doesn’t really like live performances and yet you can hardly find another band which is as hearty onstage as Saor are. Andy rarely goes to gigs himself because he simply gets bored and yet, during Emperor’s set he headbanged crazier than any other person within a 50-meter radius. I’m not gonna lie, some interesting bits of the interview fell victims in the one-sided battle between me and his Scottish accent. Nevertheless, there were very few casualties and Andy wins as the most simple and warm-hearted man alive.

I was really curious — what made you come one day earlier?

Plane tickets were cheaper. (laughs) It’s not an interesting story.

So, you’re not going to see any bands?

I might go and see Heilung and Emperor. That’s it. There are not so many bands I want to see. I’m too old (laughs) and too tired.

And you don’t like playing at festivals, right? In your interviews you often say you don’t like live shows.

Hmmmm…. No, like, finer festivals are ok. I prefer playing with the band on club shows, small and intimate kinda shows. I’m getting used to playing live also. I didn’t like it in the past but I’m getting used to it.

What exactly has changed?

Just cause we have improved our equipment and gear. Sometimes we can bring a sound engineer with us. This kind of stuff. Because in the early days we didn’t have a sound engineer or very good equipment, so I didn’t enjoy it. But it seems like a good festival here, so we’ll see how it goes tomorrow.

Do you remember your last day in Russia? I heard you partied all night, went to a karaoke bar and were close to going to Siberia on a train…


I was very drunk (chuckles) so I kinda don’t remember much. We went to a karaoke bar after… that was Moscow? I kinda don’t remember what the karaoke bar was called, though. Some kind of an old rock karaoke place which was cool. We were just singing old shitty rock songs and metal songs. It was good fun, I loved it. But I think St. Petersburg was my favorite because I think the sound was better there. But I think at both shows the crowd was awesome. I think Moscow sold out, thank you for that, there was really good attendance.

That’s probably why you’re returning to Russia so soon…

Yeah I know…

You don’t sound excited...

No, I am excited, I love Russia, I guess it’s growing. It is honestly one of my favorite places. I just don’t sound excited that much because I’m one of those people …  No, I loved it there. St. Petersburg was cold, and it I guess it’s quite touristy, so the city was very busy and I don’t really like busy places. But I got to see some cool churches and cool sights…

Like what?

I don’t actually remember what they were called though. We had a kind of a local guide, that was a fan more, and he took us around some churches. We went inside some church and I got told off ‘cos I was wearing a hat: “Take off your hat!”. I was like, “OK, sorry”. We saw some cool places and it was cool to meet the fans in St. Petersburg, they were all really cool. So, I’d love to go back there, and Moscow is just fucking crazy. We actually finished the show in St. Petersburg and went straight to the night train to Moscow that is about eight hours... My favorite thing about Russia is that it can be quite cold and I like the cold but inside it’s so fucking warm. I don’t understand why it’s so warm inside everywhere.

It’s because we have a central heating system and we don’t have to pay for it unlike people in Europe...

I was complaining about how warm it was to the lady on the train. She was like, “You know, maintenance fucking whatever”, and I was like, “It’s too warm in here. Could you put on an air conditioner on? I’ll drop you a coin”, and she was like “ok”. Anyway, I was going off now… Moscow was really great. I preferred Moscow as a tourist because there are a lot more historical things, and I was just crazy about seeing statues. Yeah, it was a really cool experience and I found Russian people really friendly. Before going there, I thought the people may be…

Was it your first time in Russia?


Yeah, it was the first time in Russia, and I think people’s perception of Russia is different but when you’re there, you learn that people are really friendly – well, the fans were friendly and they all seemed very up for the gig. After the show in Moscow, I stayed and spoke with the fans, took pictures and drank some good alcohol. It’s kinda like a family meeting and I can’t wait to go back. I don’t really know where else we could play in Russia, to be honest, I don’t really know Russia that well. But I think we’ve been to the two main places, I suppose.   

Yeah, I don’t know either because I live in Moscow and there are 15 million people living in Moscow, it’s almost like a country of its own.

And I heard a lot of Russia is just barren emptiness (chuckles) yeah, I can’t wait to go back and hopefully we’ll have good crowds and we’ll get to play some new material from the new album. That would be good.

Yeah, speaking of the new album and just your songs in general — usually they are very very long…


Well, they aren’t that long…

I mean, they are long for festivals because usually you don’t have much time on the stage and there are probably some restrictions…

Originally for Brutal Assault we were meant to be on the main stage and they gave us 30 minutes in the afternoon. And that meant we could only play 2 songs. (laughs) And we were all like ‘we’re not coming all the way to the Czech Republic to play 2 songs. Can we maybe change the slot or maybe change the stage?”. So they moved us to Obscure [stage] and now we get to play 4 songs but we had to cut a part of one song, so we get something like three and a half songs. So, it’s challenging for festivals, yeah. Usually we play about 50 minutes which is about 4 or 5 songs. But when it’s our own gigs, like in Russia, we just play as much as we want and it’s fine but it may be late. You know, there might be a great crowd, and you start playing a song and then it’s, like, fucking late, please stop. Sometimes they just cut you in the middle of a song. Hopefully, they won’t do it tomorrow. Maybe I should start writing shorter songs.  

Well, at that stage, there’s usually a lot of time between the bands. It’s really a very good stage, very cozy...

Yeah, and it’s indoors, so there’s no sun.

And you don’t listen to metal much these days, is that right?

Hmmmm, with the band when we go on tour or we play festivals, we don’t listen to metal at all in the van, because if you come to a death metal festival and it’s all about metal —  constantly, all day, — I guess we just need a break from that style of music, so we listen to just folk songs or different things apart from metal. These days, personally, I still listen to metal, I just don’t listen to many new bands. But maybe I’m just becoming an old bastard. I mean, I still love old bands. Bathory is one of my favorites. And all kinda classic black metal albums. Darkthrone, Burzum, all that kind of stuff. I love all that. But I’ve got quite diverse tastes in music, it just depends on the mood I’m in. Metal is not my main genre if that makes sense. For me, personally, it’s less interesting music.

You’re more into folk…

No, I’m not really more into folk. I like folk but nowadays if I listen to something and I like it, I’ll listen to it regardless of whether people think it’s cheesy or crap. I used to really like black metal, I was a tall true black metal guy but it was when I was a teenager or maybe in my early 20s. I just sit and listen to a lot of music, so, I suppose, with the band and with my music — there’s quite a lot of different styles in that. So I don’t like it when people call it black metal. I don’t think Saor is a black metal band. I think there are elements of black metal in the music but I don’t think we’re a black metal band and I think it’s kinda false to picture the band as black metal. I’d say Saor is black-metal-influenced but more like folk/Celtic metal, extreme folk metal maybe. We just call it Caledonian metal, to make things easier. You may go like, “What’s that?” We go, “It’s Scottish metal”. Then you’ll go, “OK, I know now how it sounds like”. I mean my playlist has a lot of metal on it, I just don’t listen to a lot of new metal bands. Maybe I should. Maybe I’m just being stubborn. Yeah, and especially when you play festivals and it’s constantly metal, metal, metal and it just feels like, “I want a break. I want to listen to folk or ambient music or whatever.”

They have this kind of music here, actually. There’s a very very small stage (K.A.L. stage – ed.) where they play ambient and different experimental stuff. 
 

That’s where I’m going. (laughs) I never even knew it was there, so… but yeah, I don’t really consider myself a metalhead. I’m just a music fan who likes metal sometimes.

Speaking of your Scottish metal. Maybe it’s a dumb question but how different is it from Irish metal, for example?

I think Scottish and Irish folk music is quite similar. Well, very similar, actually. The way they play their instruments, the structures in songs and stuff are really really close but… Yeah, I think just the themes of the bands and the lyrics — there’s more poetry. It’s also front covers and imagery. I think that means that this is Scottish. It’s quite hard. I mean, you may listen to that and think maybe it’s Irish unless I do, like (imitates that), a deep Scottish voice. It’s kinda hard to differentiate between Irish and Scottish but I think if you know the music, you can tell the difference by Saor’s later output. There’s a lot of certain techniques and structures that we use. I just think if you just play one of our albums, and say to someone, “What country is that?”, nine out of ten people will say it’s Scotland, so… That’s kinda what I meant with Caledonian metal because basically it’s Scottish metal but broader. This genre is completely made-up, it’s just that we are really fed up with being listed as a black metal band, and then black metal fans will listen to it and say it’s not black metal. Well, it’s not black metal, it’s just being promoted as black metal. And then folk metal fans may think it’s too black metal. So, that makes a difference. I don’t like pigeonholing things, I don’t like genres and all that shit. If it’s good music and you like it — listen to it. And if you don’t like it, then don’t. That’s my opinion on all music.   

But sometimes people do need labels. Since you want to go and listen to _ambient_…

Yeah, I know, I know but then it can get ridiculous with subgenres and sub-subgenres and that kind of stuff. I mean, I just call the band Scottish-themed metal to someone that know heavy metal - with a little bit of black metal in it.     

Let us now digress for a bit and discuss some other matters. There are very few Scottish bands which play music similar to yours and it made me wonder how much the general people in Scotland know and care about Scottish heritage.

I think more recently Scottish people have become more interested in history and culture and all that kind of stuff because of the political situation, like, you know, the Scottish independence and all that stuff. I don’t push any political thing in my music but the band kinda came up on our own around that time when there was the independence referendum. Personally I want independence but I’ve got a lot of friends and people in the band that are against that. That sort of thing brought that stuff to the forefront. I think everybody knew about generic history: William Wallace and all that kind of stuff. And I don’t think they knew much about Pictish stuff, Roman history, all the different kinds of tribes, all the battles. I think it’s only in recent time that people started taking interest in that. I also think it has to do with the fact that people are fascinated by it because of programs like Outlander or films like Robert the Bruce on Netflix. I think that kind of got them got interested because of film and TV, and obviously there is Braveheart, which is bullshit. (laughs) There is always this media thing. And I think the tourism industry has a lot of money on its hands, and a lot of people, Americans and Germans and stuff, come over.

Aren’t you annoyed with all the tourists?

Yeah. (laughs) I live on the isle of Skye quite a lot. My dad has a cottage in the isle of Skye right up the north, so it’s quite secluded but the rest of the isle of Skye is just crazy, it’s so busy with tourists, they’ve damaged all the roads, damaged all the pathways, there’s litter everywhere and stuff. I mean I’m not against tourism but I think there comes a time you need to limit it in places like Skye that can only sustain a certain amount of people. Our economy relies on tourism — in Scotland as a whole. But I think there are some places, small islands that we should cut it or hold back on it a little bit. Because I can see the difference from when I was 15 years old to now. I can see in the landscape. There is the Old Man of Storr, which is a hill, which used to have a large thick forest that you’d go through and it’s cut all along the road just for the tourists to drive by and see. That kind of shit just annoys me. They built a grand car park. It’s like, “Please do not park along the grass” — people just parked along the grass and damaged all the grass. There’s a place called Fairy Pools, it’s got a walkway, and all the grass has been damaged, it’s got facilities, toilets - you don’t want that, you want to go and experience natural wilds, like north, highlands, and if you wanna do that, you don’t need fucking toilets or souvenir shops… What was the question again? (laughs)

Why did you move closer to Glasgow then?


No, I was born outside of Glasgow, in a small town that’s outside of Glasgow. I’ve always lived in that sort of area but my dad purchased a place up in the isle of Skye and a part of my family comes from there, so I think he bought a place up there to get connected to that area. I’ve always lived close to Glasgow and I hate it, I don’t like Glasgow at all.

Why don’t you move?


Why don’t I move? I’m moving ever so slightly away. I mean I’ve started from here and now I’m getting closer and closer to the islands. So, one day… and also money is the reason. I’m getting married next year, so I don’t have a lot of money to spare. Now I live in a nice little village. I moved there with my fiancé a year and a half ago. We’re getting married next year in Skye. But we’ll probably stay in the Glasgow area. The reason I’ll probably stay in the Glasgow area is that it’s more convenient for the airport and for the band, obviously. But I think in the future I see myself further North. Maybe not on the islands but something like close to Glasgow and far away enough. I don’t like cities, busy places full of people. I like just quiet, empty spaces.

I promise not to go Scotland then.

No, why? You don’t like Scotland?

I do like, I just don’t want to annoy the locals…


Oh, you wouldn’t annoy them. It has more to do with…. I think the majority of tourists are respectful and they genuinely want to be there to experience history and see the sites. It’s just that I think they’ve lost control of how many people are going to certain areas… I mean Glasgow and Edinburgh are famous big cities but certain areas like Skye can’t really cope with that many people. And I know in some other countries, they cap the amount of tourists that are going places. I’m not saying, “Ban people from going!”, I’m just saying …. In the summer time, it can get really really fucking busy and noisy and that annoys the locals as well. But at the same time there are two sides of the coin. It annoys the locals, it’s too busy, it causes damage to the nature but at the same time it drives the economy and promotes the country. I see both sides of the argument… I’m deviating away from whatever question you ask and I’m now so far away I can’t even remember it.

That’s alright. May I just ask you a philosophical question? I don’t know if you’ve ever listened to Primordial…


I was actually with Alan (Averill, vocals) at Wacken a couple of days ago, became drunk (laughs), so yeah, I know Primordial.

Well, they have this song, “No Nation On This Earth” and there is a line, “Tell me what nation on this earth wasn’t born of tragedy”. Do you think it’s true that all nations are born of some tragedies?

I can relate to Primordial because the Irish and Scotland have similar history with England, I suppose. I was in Ukraine recently, and obviously they were under the Soviet Union rule and I think they had a lot of tragedy and bad history and I think that made them quite pro-Ukrainian and very proud to be Ukrainian and more interested in history. I don’t know if I believe that every nation’s born of tragedy. Some nations are bigger and stronger — have always been and always will be.

What about the Scots?


The main thing is with us, we were actually quite a strong nation for many centuries. We were an independent nation till…

(At that moment Andy was approached by a manager of Season of Mist, they had a short conversation with Andy, and that’s how I got to know that Saor were on this label going forward. However, this was not yet to be made public at that time. Then Andy showed me a photo of Alan and himself a Wacken, and started talking how great of a guy Alan was. I started feeling like I was overstaying my welcome and so I said)

OK, last question…


Honestly, I’m doing nothing, I’ve just arrived and am drinking beer and waiting for Emperor, that’s all. (Emperor were to play in 4 hours, — ed.). There weren’t many bands today I really wanted to see…

Well, there’s Heilung…

Yeah, I really want to see them. I like their stage show, I think it looks amazing and obviously we’re labelmates, so, I’m looking forward to seeing them and Emperor’s after them.

There’s also Electric Wizard (here, Andy produced an unenthusiastic sequence of “yeah, yeah, yeah” — ed.), they play some kind of sludgy doom/stoner metal. Not the band I’d travel to another country for but at festivals they’re definitely a must see. It’s a good change when you’ve listened to black metal all day. Besides, they play right before Primordial and I want to be in the first row…

So, you’ll be here tomorrow to see us?

Yeah, sure. I’m really really looking forward to your show!

Oh, great. I’m looking forward to it too. I just spoke to them to give the sound a good run, because I wasn’t too impressed when I went down to the stage today. But I was all the way back, from across the tent, so I can’t really judge it properly. It seemed a bit cramped, but we’ll see.  

But isn’t it more intimate?

Yeah, yeah, I like that. I suppose, there’s all the interaction between the crowd… if they enjoy it, I’ll enjoy it. It doesn’t matter if the sound is shit. I mean, there was a band that was on, Slægt. They went on and a guy’s guitar… it just flew away from him, and they stopped to fix his guitar, and I was like, “Get on will ya?” I liked it, some of it I absolutely liked, the solos and working the crowd, and the guy was like, “Fuck yeah, I’ll just do vocals”. I liked that, I would do that, man, if somebody fucked up my bass gear, I would go, “Fuck it, there’s no bass, I’ll just do all vocals today”.  A lot of bands would go like, “Ohh, we can’t play”. Well, it depends… I wonder if our guitarist will make it tomorrow. He’s got two flights to him, ‘cos he’s working today. So, all the band is here apart from our guitarist. He’s arriving tomorrow, then he’s going on stage and then he’s going back home the next day at four in the morning.

What are you going to do if he can’t make it?

Live it through. (laughs) That’s the only logical solution.

But you’ll stick to the bass?

Yeah, I’ll stick to the bass. I don’t like playing the guitar. I like playing the guitar in the studio and jamming at it myself, but I don’t like playing it live. I used to play it live for some smaller bands but I’ve always preferred doing bass and vocals. It’s not that it’s easier, I just feel more comfortable.

Since you’re not going anywhere, I’d love to keep bombarding you with naïve questions about history. In your opinion, who are the people that molded Scotland as a country?  


Well, Scotland’s had a certain mix of people through history. Like, you had Picts during the Roman era, then you had... There wasn’t a Scotland until the Picts and Scotts not joined together. It’s a hard question, I’m trying to think of a good answer here — what made us the people we are... I think the best thing to say to answer your question is that we were always oppressed by someone. First, there were fucking Romans, then the English joined. Back in the day even the Vikings also. But I think they assimilated in the certain areas, on the islands, but we’ve just been a sort of oppressed nation but we still were growing though. We were our own country for a long long time until we joined the Act of Union which was in 1700s which wasn’t that horrible.

The best phrase I can give you is a Glasgow phrase – in Glasgow a person which is hit by you will tell you, “The lane is forbidden, for there’s no direction, only a way to hospital”. That’s the best example I can give you: we are generally friendly but now fucking pass off. I don’t know about certain people. I mean, I can always talk about the generic — William Wallace, Robert the Bruce. I think there’s other famous kind of people. The Scottish wars of independence, obviously. It was quite a big thing. It’s strange because up in the islands, and the Glasgow area, or the lowlands as we call it, we were almost like different cultures as well but we were the same country. Like, up there they spoke Gaelic and we were speaking English and Scots. So it’s quite a diverse mix. And I think it’s only modern times that us folks all feel Scotland. You always get kind of cheesy shit like tartan and Celts and stuff. Celts are a relatively new thing as well. Celts were just like Vikings, and they were invaded by Englishmen, believe it or not.

(Comparing Celts to Vikings, Andy probably meant to say that Celts — just like Vikings — weren’t native to Britain because both peoples came as conquerors. Long story short, Celtic tribes arrived from Europe and settled down in Britain by the 1st century DA. Then they were invaded by Romans and remained under the Roman rule up till the 5th century. Then Ango-Saxon tribes arrived. Seems like Andy meant them when he mentioned Celts being conquered by the English. In 793, there was a Viking raid on Lindisfarne which marks the beginning of the so called Viking age. For several centuries, the relationships between Anglo-Saxons and Vikings were rather troubled. Finally, the year 1066 saw the arrival of other invaders. In a way, the Norman conquest of England may be seen as the beginning of today’s Britain – ed.)

There’s a lot of cheesy things about Scotland. I’ll just say we have a very diverse history and we were a very oppressed people for hundreds of years and that made us really proud to be from Scotland. Like don’t fuck with us, go ahead or we’ll send you to hospital. (laughs) Yeah yeah, I’m just picking up the best ways to answer, because it’s a hard question to answer but I thank you for it anyway. People and events — it’s just so hard to answer. I mean we’re quite divided over independence, Scottish independence. We’re part of the United Kingdom, obviously. And we recently had an independence vote, about Scotland breaking with the UK and becoming an independent nation. I think there’s 55% who wanted to remain in the UK and 45% who wanted to leave, so there’s a big debate politically in Scotland now. There’s so much stuff, it makes for ages to talk about. I mean, everything that’s happened in our history had a knock-on effect on something else. And it can go forever, and ever and ever. I think growing up you were always meant be British-Scottish and technically Pictish-Scottish. It comes from your parents and grandparents and I think it goes down, down and down the lines…. That’s a hard question to answer. Hopefully I’ve given you enough bullshit and you’ll be able to make some sort of a coherent answer out of it.

I guess people used to be more cool with being a part of the UK than they are now. I mean, why is this whole thing going on now?

There’s always been an undercurrent of people who wanted to break away but there’s always up here pro the UK people who support them — that have been getting the green card for so long. There’s a big religious debate as well - protestants and Catholics in Scotland, and it has to do with the Northern Ireland conflict. I think recently, straight talking, what’s happened is that people realized we’re getting fucked over, whatever we say doesn’t matter and election are false. I think they supported it when they started Brexit. Scotland voted to the mean. There’s so much stuff being dragged out, you know what I mean? And think people were just like, “No, fuck this. We just should do things on our own terms”. I think and I hope the next poll will be a yes. But I wouldn’t expect it to go far. But we’re doing it for the first time, so… there’s so many actions and it’s hard to pinpoint why recently it’s started. I don’t know, we’ll see. It’s too complex and I’m too tired.

A simpler question then. Why have you chosen these particular poems as the lyrics for the songs on ‘Forgotten Paths’?


I don’t know, I had them from a book of poems. I did write the lyrics for “Roots” (2013), the first album. And then on “Aura” (2014) I wrote some of the lyrics, and I added some poems, because I just relate. The thing is, I have never considered myself a good songwriter. I’m a musician, I’ve never considered myself a good lyricist. It’s just me — I don’t enjoy doing lyrics, I love playing music. I think between “Aura” and “Guardians” (2016) I went, “OK, maybe I can just…” I came across a book of poems, I don’t remember what it was called, some Scottish poems, I kinda don’t remember what poems there were. And I just feel they describe things way better than I ever could and then it influences my music as well. So, I just thought “Forgotten Paths” can be a follow-up for “Guardians”. Like a stag can run through it, through the ages, take different forms, passing the theme. I always had in my mind — it was weird — the front cover which is like a stag skull in the forest. I always had it in my head when I was writing the album. Which is weird, you always have that damn image stuck in your head. And I was like, “Yeah, that’s gotta be the front cover image”.

Is that a real place that you saw in your head?


Nee, it’s kinda influenced by what I saw when I was a-walking. But I have changed that a little bit, kind of set my vision. Yeah, I just chose the poems because I just loved them and I think they a lot say more than I could by scratching lyrics. And I felt I’d create very good songs by them and I felt they had a good theme. You know, maybe on the next album I’ll try writing my own lyrics this time. Maybe I should just push myself into trying … do all that. It’s not that I’m being lazy. I just respect poets and I just respect poems and they are describing it way better than I could.

If you don’t like writing lyrics, why don’t just keep it like that — without any lyrics?


I don’t know. I mean, I could do the instrumental stuff but maybe I’ll be boring. ‘cos at certain parts of the songs, you just tag to these words “dan-dan-dan” and mix that part. Whereas when there’s no vocals, it wouldn’t be the same. And I like pissing black metal fans off by doing deep clear vocals. And I quite enjoy doing the vocals as well. I think it would be weird if I didn’t do it live and were just playing bass. That’s the only reason, there’s no deeper meaning.

Well, you’re very charismatic onstage.

Well, yeah. Quite drunk sometimes as well. I’ll have a few beers to give myself confidence.

So, you don’t really like playing live yourself but do you go to shows, concerts? And how did you and up being a musician anyway? I mean, it’s all about that — doing gigs, headbanging…


I may go to three concerts a year or something ‘cos my friends are promoters and they invite me now and again and I go. I mean, there’s not many bands… I’ve seen a lot of bands out of the genre, so it’s not like if a band comes again, I’ll go and see them. I know it sounds weird for a musician, but sometimes if you’ve been doing a lot of gigs and touring, you just want to chill out.

Of course, a lot depends on how the audience reacts. You may go off the stage after a gig you and you go, ‘Fuck, they didn’t enjoy it”, and then a fan comes saying it was amazing. You just stood with your fucking arms fold! Looking miserable! Yeah, it depends on where you go. That’s why I like Russia, ‘cos they’re always fucking crazy. They all get drunk and then they just… It depends on the genre, I guess and that’s why I don’t understand why go to a gig if you’re not doing this. You had a harsh week, now it’s over and you just enjoy it and experience it. I paid money to come here to stand with my arms folded. No, you go and you just experience that. And also I think I don’t like a lot of gigs because obviously I do a lot of gigs myself and I like to have that break from that. I’ve started kinda coming to terms with playing live and I don’t want to ruin that — when you went to a gig and then you’re like, “Fuck, I can’t listen to it anymore”.  

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Lena Pashko
August 9, 2019
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